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May 15th, 2012
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NeJame: New Zimmerman medical records indicate 'mutual combat'

In the wake of newly released medical records indicating George Zimmerman was treated for a broken nose and lacerated scalp–and that the autopsy of Trayvon Martin reportedly found cuts on his knuckles–CNN legal analyst Mark NeJame says the records show there was "mutual combat."


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  1. SS

    I don't care if Zimmerman threw the first punch or not, TRAYVON had no death wish. If he really wanted to avoid killing this unarmed youth he would have told him, I HAVE A GUN. For all any of us know, he had the gun out and the fight was a result of a struggle for that weapon. I hope the truth comes to the forefront. Where was the gun? How did he manage to get his gun out if involved in a fight for his life? How does he end up on Trayvon's back? Why not seek medical attention immediately? So to those who feel that some were in a rush to judge, exactly what verdict have you gotten that makes you so sure that you're right?

    May 17, 2012 at 2:34 pm | Reply
    • larryb

      the biggest problem with this mess is the sanford police dept.

      May 17, 2012 at 4:43 pm | Reply
  2. Citizen Y

    Racial profile an innocent citizen, a minor, pursue that individual against the instructions of police personnel, get involved in an altercation, murder the individual you pursued, and then call yourself a victim AND have thousands of insensitive racists call your victim undue names like the n***** and thug. That's the USA and that's what you can expect as a black person living in this nation. Makes me somewhat glad that we are becoming increasingly irrelevant in the world. We never deserved to be where we were. We are certainly not leaders of the free world. Mexico and Europe are Eons beyond where we are with respect to the attempt at providing dignity and justice to ALL citizens. And now watch the racists attack...Bring it, Losers.

    May 17, 2012 at 9:56 am | Reply
  3. NPNurse

    Reports by the "family doctor". Show the pictures of the injuries taken by the family doctor. My God, he had just killed a teenage boy. Wouldn't you want pictures taken to support your injuries for self defense. How can someone endure the pain of a broken nose, two black eyes, back injury without being seeing by a physican immediately. A broken nose and two black eyes are not a joke. It is serious pain. He should have left the kid along. The boy was walking home. Give me a break!!

    May 17, 2012 at 9:19 am | Reply
  4. azjoec

    Zimmerman was told by the 911 dispatcher NOT to follow the kid. He chose to ignore the 911 dispatcher and follow him anyways. This whole thing could have been avoided and a young mans life could have been spared, had Zimmerman listened to the 911 dispatcher and let the police do their job.

    May 17, 2012 at 12:35 am | Reply
  5. bob

    fry zimmy's a s s !!

    May 16, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  6. bob

    fry zimmy's ass....

    May 16, 2012 at 9:32 pm | Reply
  7. David

    This does not have to be new evidence, it is just that the funeral director lied that there was no sign of an altercation on Trayvon. But the funeral director was president of the Broward county NAACP for 10 years so go figure. He should be sued by Zimmerman for making false statements on television regarding Trayvon. And apologize to the world for misleading everyone..

    May 16, 2012 at 7:37 pm | Reply
  8. Destinatus

    How do you, as an armed man, chase down someone you described as a teenager, in the dead of night and not be the aggressor?

    May 16, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Reply
  9. prasad

    can we all just get along

    May 16, 2012 at 7:28 pm | Reply
  10. MikeG

    This entire matter has placed Zimmerman into the role of sacrificial lamb. It's nothing more than political correctness that is the driving force behind this fatal and sad tragedy. SOMEone has got to "pay" the price for a member of one race being killed by a member of a different race. Had Zimmerman been a black man, this shooting would never have made it to the public eye. Four black females were shot to death by 3 or 4 black males in my city and NONE of your ever heard a word about it. Sad fact...

    May 16, 2012 at 5:39 pm | Reply
  11. jay1975

    "Mutual combat."? Really? How is one person being bloodied and bruised while the other is only wounded from inflicting damage "mutual". Up until the fatal shot, it sounds like it was one way combat.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:38 pm | Reply
  12. Cameron

    That's all well and good. But someone please explain to me how the fact that he was injured changes anything. The fact remains, Zimmerman was told be police dispatch not to persue Martin and he did it anyway, hightening the likelyhood there was going to be a confrontation involving a gun that just happend to be strapped to the overzealous Zimmerman.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm | Reply
  13. Foncell99

    What rush? He started it, was getting his ass kick, shot the teen, started covering his as from the moment after he did it. Daddy is a life long profesional liar, and has told him what to say, and do since. Mr Zimmerman will never ever, never tell us what really happened. No matter what side you take in this, that fact is true.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:12 pm | Reply
  14. mms55

    i think trayvon was fighting for his life because gz never told him he was a neighborhood watchmen.all he knew was a guy with a gun was harrassing him.

    May 16, 2012 at 5:02 pm | Reply
  15. Swan

    I do not know what is explosive about this story. Evidence of this has been in the police reports since day one. It certainly does not by means undermine the case against Zimmerman. He followed after Treyvon, surely Treyvon had the right to stand his ground.....

    May 16, 2012 at 3:48 pm | Reply
  16. south4evr

    Zimmerman smashed his face into the poor innocent boy's knuckles repeatedly, causing cuts. He did this so violently that he broke his own nose and blackened both of his eyes. Then after beating the boy's hands with his face, he smashed the back of his head into the hands, causing lacerations not only to Trayvon's hands but to his own head, too.
    After this vicious attack, he still found it necessary to shoot Trayvon also.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:46 pm | Reply
  17. MAJax

    TJeff1776: I was a police office in NYC. Even before when all this media coverage I knew what happened.

    Zimmy was following the kid and called the police. The 911 operator told him stay where you are, don't follow him.
    What I know happened was Zimmy went after the kid and tried to do some Bull**** citizens arrest. Guess what, Trevon fought for his life because he was assaulted. Trevon overtook Zimmy and that's when Zimmy pulled a gun and claimed he was defending himself when he started the fight.

    This is so obvious! We should hope for a conviction because if not, that gives the message that the neighborhood watch can do anything to anyone. Just don't get caught in the wrong neighborhood

    May 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply
  18. Bream243

    One guy has a broken nose, black eyes, lacerations on the back of his head. The other guy has skinned knuckles. What is mutual about this combat?

    May 16, 2012 at 3:32 pm | Reply
  19. David M Chapman

    We will all have to wait for the trial before drawing conclusions on this case. I must say, though, that if someone with a gun was following me and cornered me, I would hope to put up enough of a fight to break their nose. It seems that the one who had a right to "stand their ground" was the young man who lost his life.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm | Reply
  20. mat

    Oh and they should use Travons twitter picture instead of some propaganda shot meant to confuse their disillusioned audience even further.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:18 pm | Reply
  21. mat

    Mutual combat. Travons bloody knuckles anainst Zimmermans face. CNN should STFU. Havent they lied and caused enough racial hatred already? There just pi$$ed the findings coloborate with Zimmerman's story and the eyewitness who said he saw Travon on top of Zimmerman. How about a "White in America" CNN? You Suc.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:16 pm | Reply
  22. David in Auburn WA

    Mutual Combat? This from a "legal analyst"? Yikes! Mutual combat means both parties agreed to a fight as when one guy tells another to "step outside" and the other does so and they start fighting. If Zimmerman's account that he was followed as he returned to his car and was sucker punched breaking his nose is true, and if the forensic evidence that the 6'1" football player was on top of him, pounding Zimmerman's head against the edge of the sidewalk while he screamed for help are true as they now appear to be, it sure doesn't sound like "mutual combat" to any sane observer.

    May 16, 2012 at 3:05 pm | Reply
  23. Lee

    Not surprising that CNN is again giving misleading and factually incorrect information regarding this case.

    The interviewer is not correct in stating that the prosecution is charging "Racial" profiling. She is also incorrect, as is the law expert about not being able to use self defense if one is the initial aggressor.

    776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
    (1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
    (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
    (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
    (b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
    History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

    May 16, 2012 at 2:23 pm | Reply
  24. Charles

    I've never doubted that there was mutual combat. I've just always wondered who initiated the combat? Was it Trayvon or Zimmerman? If it was Trayvon, then I hate to say it but he put himself in harms way. If it was Zimmerman, then I don't think you should have the right to pull out a gun and shoot someone after you've started a fight and are losing.

    May 16, 2012 at 2:11 pm | Reply
  25. Barbara Dickins

    George Zimmerman wanted to protect his neighborhood from any more robberies. Like many people, he believed
    what he thought. He thought that this young black man was "up to no good" as he stated in his call to the police.
    It turned out that was completely not true. Trayvon was looking forward to watching a sports event on TV with his
    family. Even though the dispatcher told him that he didn't need to follow him, George did any way.

    From the record of the call Trayvon was engaged in, he definitely felt threatened by this guy, who was obviously pursuing him.

    He felt he had to put this strange guy in his place. In no time flat, Trayvon lay dead on the ground.

    My heart goes out to these two young men and to their families.

    May 16, 2012 at 2:07 pm | Reply
  26. MamaBee

    This revelation does not put anyone to shame. Mutual combat does not mean Trayvon was the aggressor, it indicates he was fighting for his life. What was he suppose to do – Lay down and die without a fight? Don't forget the video of Zimmerman right after he killed Trayvon. He looked just fine. Doctors lie too! I LOVE NANCY GRACE.

    May 16, 2012 at 2:03 pm | Reply
  27. jim

    "SO..whats new" Uh the whole story,,,,

    May 16, 2012 at 1:59 pm | Reply
  28. Ari Khazar

    Trayvon Marting, Inc. is a house of cards.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:39 pm | Reply
  29. quisp65

    Looking like the torch and pitchfork mob & media helped influence this to be prosecuted. The same person prosecuting this case also prosecuted that black lady who got 20 years for firing a warning shot at her abusive husband.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:38 pm | Reply
  30. A-Nicole

    Hmmmm he was treated for a broken nose ONE DAY LATER?? And this medical examination came from the "Family Doctor?" . Give me a break, Zimmerman is a ruthless killer and Trayvon should have lacerations on his knuckles, because that would mean he was defending himself while this murderer stalked and killed him.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:27 pm | Reply
  31. TJeff1776

    SO..whats new. Does put quite a few of these conservatives to shame as they were sounding off about seeing NO bruises or cuts via the distant police cameras AND using this as proof against Zimmerman. This includes the overly knowledgeable Nancy Grace that is always right about everything.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:19 pm | Reply
    • Strike808

      I believe much of the proof against Zimmerman was the fact that 911 told him that they didn't need him to follow the young man while Zimmerman was in his car, then magically the young man is dead of a gun shot wound.

      If you are in a car following someone most times you are safe from that person. When you are told we don't need you to follow the person and then some how you end outside of your car and more tragically the person being followed is killed. Then worse... you "supposedly" have lacerations and a broken nose, but somehow no one in the police department who initially arrests you believes these injuries are valid enough to warrant you going to emergency. Then you just voluntarily decide, maybe these lacerations and broken nose need medical attention then go to a "family doctor".

      Really? Lacerations, I can see where you could wait for those...but a broken nose. In my experience a broken nose required some immediate attention, not waiting for the doctor in the morning.

      Still sounds a little fishy on the defense part but we will see where this goes.... Hopefully all the facts come out and justice is served.

      May 16, 2012 at 2:43 pm | Reply
    • MaximusTheLion

      .. since when is Nancy Grace a conservative?

      May 16, 2012 at 2:57 pm | Reply
    • David in Auburn WA

      Oh, now it is the *conservatives* who were claiming Zimmerman was supposedly not really injured? Hello?
      Apparently "TJeff" considers liberals who distort all they see through the prism of purported racism and need to twist facts to fit their political imperatives to be secret conservatives since only they could be bad?

      May 16, 2012 at 3:14 pm | Reply
    • mat

      did u really mean conservative???Im confused.

      May 16, 2012 at 3:19 pm | Reply
    • Sean

      This has nothing to do with "conservatives"–there's plenty of political partisans of every stripe on both sides of the Zimmerman case. It just puts to shame those who were rushing to judgement without hearing the facts.

      May 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm | Reply
    • MAJax

      I was a police office in NYC. Even before when all this media coverage I knew what happened.

      Zimmy was following the kid and called the police. The 911 operator told him stay where you are, don't follow him.
      What I know happened was Zimmy went after the kid and tried to do some Bull**** citizens arrest. Guess what, Trevon fought for his life because he was assaulted. Trevon overtook Zimmy and that's when Zimmy pulled a gun and claimed he was defending himself when he started the fight.

      This is so obvious! We should hope for a conviction because if not, that gives the message that the neighborhood watch can do anything to anyone. Just don't get caught in the wrong neighborhood

      May 16, 2012 at 3:50 pm | Reply
    • doug

      yep Nancy is often wrong & rude & mean & a show boat.
      she is the worst NEWS person in history of TV.

      May 16, 2012 at 5:26 pm | Reply
    • PIJoe

      Puts the "conservatives to shame"...are you high? The liberal media outlets on the networks and cable news have been calling for Zimmerman's head since this story broke. The only voices of reason were those of guys like Bill O'Reilly who challenged those pundits like Al Sharpton to not try to case on TV and let the facts come out at trial and accept the jury's verdict. Now all those like Rep. Fredericka Wilson, D-Fla who said Martin was murdered "like a rabid dog". Jesse Jackson said he was "murdered and martyrd" may have to eat their words. All they've done now is drum up sentiment and rationale for violence if the verdict in the end doesn't go their way.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:06 am | Reply
      • south4evr

        Justice for George!!!

        May 17, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply
      • prasad

        I agree with you one hundred percent.People like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson should be held accountable for the riots and violence that comes out as a result of them stirring things up before our legal system runs its course on these matters.

        May 17, 2012 at 11:56 am | Reply
  32. Michael T

    Good questions and comments Erin.

    Especially when you pointed out that what is key is if it can be proven who initiated the confrontation.

    May 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm | Reply
  33. IndeePendant

    Day-after????!!!! When the video was taken the day-before in the police station there were absolutely no visible marks of swollen face or broken nose.. this seems to be a fraud..cooked...

    May 16, 2012 at 1:01 pm | Reply
  34. McCookies

    Sounds about right. From the beginning I thought this was a case of manslaughter on Zimmerman's part and assault and battery on Martin's part.

    May 16, 2012 at 12:41 pm | Reply
  35. Ramona

    i am still trying to figure out how this "stand your ground" defense is holding up for Zimmerman. He pursued Trayvon! So why is it that if Trayvon did take the first move, he can't use the same defense post mortem in that a strange man (Zimmerman) approached him after being advised not to do so and he felt his life was being threatend so he defended himself by punching Zimmerman. Trayvon was not on the phone with the police being advised that Zimmerman was a night watchman in the neighborhood, he was on the phone with a female telling her that a strange man was following him... Iwould just like to see Zimmerman face some kind of consequences for deliberately disregarding the dispatcher and pursing Trayvon. Trayvon would have made it home if Zimmerman would have kept his distance for a while and seen that Trayvon was not out of place.

    May 16, 2012 at 12:13 pm | Reply
  36. TRY

    AMEN FOR THE RACIS CARD PLAYERS.

    May 16, 2012 at 12:12 pm | Reply
  37. jay

    Here’s the issue I see. zimmerman says trayvon approached him & they exchanged words so zimmerman reached inside his jacket to get his cell phone and that’s when he was punched by martin and attacked. 1) its dark & raining 2) this strange man is following you. 3)the strange man who’s following you reaches into his jacket. at this point who knows it’s a cell phone & one would assume it’s a gun because he’s been following you, in the rain. Anyone would immediately jump into defense mode out of fear of being shot. If Martin punched zimmerman 1st it was out of fear for his life & based on zimmermans own account self defense cannot be claimed. I so wish I could try this case!!

    May 16, 2012 at 11:57 am | Reply

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